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joining me now is the cnn pentagon correspondent chris lawrence to talk about the tactics and the military. and how the military may have helped the police spy on this killer despite him hiding underground, also with us victor blackwell in midland city in alabama watching this unfold. victor, first, let me start with you. the standoff stretched for seven days and ended in just a mere matter of minutes. are we getting any more information from officials on why they decided to go in, how they decided to go in, and how they pulled this off? >> reporter: exactly. and this is a blend of both military science and social science. i will leave the military end up to chris. i'll tell you about the other element. we have reached out to the fbi contact, we have been speaking to this week, alabama state police, some sources who were close to the situation. we know this came down to the last 24 hours. and the fbi hostage rescue team, it's more than just the guys who go in to pull the child out. there are behavioral scientists, tactical technicians, the fbi swat, the negotiators, they are all here at th
joining me now is the cnn pentagon correspondent chris lawrence to talk about the tactics and the military. and how the military may have helped the police spy on this killer despite him hiding underground, also with us victor blackwell in midland city in alabama watching this unfold. victor, first, let me start with you. the standoff stretched for seven days and ended in just a mere matter of minutes. are we getting any more information from officials on why they decided to go in, how they...
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right now a senate panel is hearing testimony on the pentagon's response to the attack on u.s. facilities there. the senators also asking questions about an internal review following that attack. defense secretary leon panetta responded to criticism regarding the response time. >> we were not dealing with a prolonged or continuous assault, which could have been brought to an end by a u.s. military response. very simply, although we had forces deployed to the region, time, distance, the lack of an adequate warning, events that moved quickly on the ground prevented a more immediate response. >> after lunch today, president obama's pick for cia director is going to have to answer for the death by drone overseas. john brennan will go before the senate intelligence committee after four years as the president's counter terrorism aide during which he championed the use of drones or unmanned aircraft to take out perceived threats to the homeland. even perceived threats who may be u.s. citizens. a white house agreed only yesterday to give some lawmakers a 50 page legal rationale written
right now a senate panel is hearing testimony on the pentagon's response to the attack on u.s. facilities there. the senators also asking questions about an internal review following that attack. defense secretary leon panetta responded to criticism regarding the response time. >> we were not dealing with a prolonged or continuous assault, which could have been brought to an end by a u.s. military response. very simply, although we had forces deployed to the region, time, distance, the...
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the pentagon is not commenting so far. what the iranians have are pictures, black and white images of the united states, various areas in the united states. and also what they claim is the u.s. base in afghanistan, you can see these drone like structures, that we have become familiar with, seeing them in afghanistan, where drones are parked. there are indications perhaps this is kandahar. but we don't know. this could just be material they found somewhere else. there is no way of knowing that this actually came from the aircraft, that it was material shot from the aircraft they claim to have. >> iran has had it for well over a year. is there any way of knowing if they were able to garner much in the way of worthy intelligence from the drone, for example they claim they were able to reverse engineer it. how concerned is the u.s. about that? >> reporter: they have to be concerned. this is high tech equipment. it's fallen into the hands of the iranians they say this matches stealth technology used on the new f 35 aircraft. it
the pentagon is not commenting so far. what the iranians have are pictures, black and white images of the united states, various areas in the united states. and also what they claim is the u.s. base in afghanistan, you can see these drone like structures, that we have become familiar with, seeing them in afghanistan, where drones are parked. there are indications perhaps this is kandahar. but we don't know. this could just be material they found somewhere else. there is no way of knowing that...
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i need to move to the pentagon as we're getting some news on this story in california. barbara starr, tell me what you're learning about servicemen and women being on alert now. >> absolutely brooke, resonating at the pentagon, this man was a former navy lieutenant in the naval reserves. and now we are told that u.s. navy bases in california and nevada are on, quote, maintaining a heightened security posture, a heightened state of alert as they too are on the lookout for this man. and they do have some reason to know that he has approached the u.s. military in the last few days. a couple of days ago, they learned -- they discovered that he had stayed at a navy motel facility in san diego, and on wednesday he approached two navy sailors at his old unit when he was in the reserves, had a conversation with them, they did not realize they had been talking to dorner until they saw all the news reports. so a lot of concern now, in fact, a day ago, the point loma naval base shut down briefly while they thought he might be there. so now overnight the admiral in charge of the so
i need to move to the pentagon as we're getting some news on this story in california. barbara starr, tell me what you're learning about servicemen and women being on alert now. >> absolutely brooke, resonating at the pentagon, this man was a former navy lieutenant in the naval reserves. and now we are told that u.s. navy bases in california and nevada are on, quote, maintaining a heightened security posture, a heightened state of alert as they too are on the lookout for this man. and...
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holding solid, there's not a dissenting voice among democrats about chuck hagel's corn firmation as pentagon chief. what could republicans do? they could filibuster, i hear no signals that that's going to happen. i do not think that opposing the president's choice for a cabinet position is something that republicans want to fight with a filibuster. that's heavy artillery, i'm not sure they want to do, but they will voice their displeasure on the floor. most observers watching this think you're likely to see chuck hagel as the next defense secretary. >> if panetta doesn't serve up the red meat republicans want, could that hold up hagel's confirmation? >> he was out of office during benghazi, what did hold it up, there were republicans who said, until we get the current defense secretary who was around during bengha benghazi, down here in front of these committees, we're not going to confirm chuck hagel. >> what does this mean for the push for gun control measures? >> i think what we can say, watching the president from the time of the new town connecticut shootings, he promised to use the bul
holding solid, there's not a dissenting voice among democrats about chuck hagel's corn firmation as pentagon chief. what could republicans do? they could filibuster, i hear no signals that that's going to happen. i do not think that opposing the president's choice for a cabinet position is something that republicans want to fight with a filibuster. that's heavy artillery, i'm not sure they want to do, but they will voice their displeasure on the floor. most observers watching this think you're...
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we begin tonight with what's happening at the pentagon. >> i'm barbara starr at the pentagon. defense secretary leon panetta was to be home in california in retirement, but now that congress will not deal with the chuck hagel nomination for another ten days, panetta still is on the job. he will travel to brussels for a nato summit to talk about afghanistan and other security issues. when the summit is over on friday, the big question, does he come back to the pentagon or does he try once again to go home to california? >> i'm poppy harlow in new york and while the markets are closed monday for the presidents' day holiday, but when they reopen tuesday, we will get key earnings and economic reports. the latest existing home sales numbers will come out wednesday that will help us see if the housing recovery is continuing because existing home sales account for about 90% of the overall housing market. on the earnings front, we will hear from walmart and marriott and all eyes will be on dell as the computermaker reports its quarterly numbers. founder michael dell has made a $24 bil
we begin tonight with what's happening at the pentagon. >> i'm barbara starr at the pentagon. defense secretary leon panetta was to be home in california in retirement, but now that congress will not deal with the chuck hagel nomination for another ten days, panetta still is on the job. he will travel to brussels for a nato summit to talk about afghanistan and other security issues. when the summit is over on friday, the big question, does he come back to the pentagon or does he try once...
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cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr broke the story. tell us more. >> reporter: carol, this is the ultimate many believe in washington budget politics, cnn has learned indeed secretary panetta is recommending what you might think of as an effective pay cut. let me give you two numbers here. this year, 2013, the pay raise for the active duty military force has been 1.7%. that's tied to complex employment calculation, to 1.7% this year panetta now will recommend only 1% pay raise for next year, 2014. several officials have confirmed this to me. they say it is due to what they call budget uncertainty in washington. this is going to put the ball squarely in congress's court as they contemplate sequestration, the budget cuts, everything we have been talking about for weeks now. will congress vote to cut effectively cut military pay while so many troops are still in combat? carol. >> it boggles the mind. it's not like our military troops are making a whole lot of money. since congress can't get its act together -- it's unbelievable. >> report
cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr broke the story. tell us more. >> reporter: carol, this is the ultimate many believe in washington budget politics, cnn has learned indeed secretary panetta is recommending what you might think of as an effective pay cut. let me give you two numbers here. this year, 2013, the pay raise for the active duty military force has been 1.7%. that's tied to complex employment calculation, to 1.7% this year panetta now will recommend only 1% pay raise for...
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he will be honored at the pentagon on tuesday, after which he will come back here to minot, north dakota and continue with his new job. meanwhile, the war in afghanistan continues, more than 60,000 american service members are right now in that country fighting that war. i'm jake tapper for cnn in minot, north dakota. >>> you are in the cnn newsroom, i'm brianna keilar in for don lemon. we have breaking news tonight, powerful devastating weather in the southern states. this is new video just in to cnn, it was reported by a storm chaser in hattiesburg, mississippi late this afternoon, when an enormous tornado touched the ground and started tearing up the town. we have extensive damage to show you tonight. there are some people hurt, and i will talk with the man who shot this amazing footage in just a few minutes. >>> first, this breaking news to tell you about, thousands of people are stranded after a cruise ship lost power in the gulf of mexico. an engine fire left the carnival triumph without electricity, but we hear it is now operating on emergency generator power. the fire has reporte
he will be honored at the pentagon on tuesday, after which he will come back here to minot, north dakota and continue with his new job. meanwhile, the war in afghanistan continues, more than 60,000 american service members are right now in that country fighting that war. i'm jake tapper for cnn in minot, north dakota. >>> you are in the cnn newsroom, i'm brianna keilar in for don lemon. we have breaking news tonight, powerful devastating weather in the southern states. this is new...
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the pentagon sends the boss off with a formal ceremony happening today, even though he is likely to be on the job for at least another couple of weeks. panetta spoke yesterday before congress, said there will always an debate over how much military power to put around the world. >> united states military, as i've said, is not and frankly should not be a 911 service capable of arriving on the scene within minutes to every possible contingency around the world. u.s. military has neither the resources nor the responsibility to have a firehouse next to every u.s. facility in the world. >> former senator chuck hagel has been nominated to replace panetta. that confirmation vote continues and has been postponed. >>> a look at this massive crowd that filled the streets in tunisia. this was a public funeral of an opposition leader shot dead outside his home wednesday. thousands of grieving and angry folks marching with his coffin to a cemetery. many believe it was a political assassination. riot police have violently put down several public demonstrations since that shooting. >>> and of course
the pentagon sends the boss off with a formal ceremony happening today, even though he is likely to be on the job for at least another couple of weeks. panetta spoke yesterday before congress, said there will always an debate over how much military power to put around the world. >> united states military, as i've said, is not and frankly should not be a 911 service capable of arriving on the scene within minutes to every possible contingency around the world. u.s. military has neither the...
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barbara starr is at the pentagon to break this down for us. do we believe this is going to be a very different situation for the military when we see these cuts start to take effect? >> that is what commanders say, the joint chiefs of staff say, suzanne. defense secretary chuck hagel, his second day on the job, and it may be tomorrow that may be the most defining for his tenure. in fact, hagel now set to meet tomorrow with the joint chiefs of staff in the tank here at the pentagon. that highly secure meeting room to talk about all of this. to get the full rundown on what it will mean for u.s. military readiness if these cuts, as expected, go into effect. $46 billion has to come out of defense spending by the end of september. we have a bit of a look-ahead at what to expect tomorrow. some of it, i think, people will have expected the military to cut. things like, you know, the blue angels, the military aerial demonstration teams, some of the commercials for recruiting, congressional junkets on military aircraft that very rapidly it gets into wh
barbara starr is at the pentagon to break this down for us. do we believe this is going to be a very different situation for the military when we see these cuts start to take effect? >> that is what commanders say, the joint chiefs of staff say, suzanne. defense secretary chuck hagel, his second day on the job, and it may be tomorrow that may be the most defining for his tenure. in fact, hagel now set to meet tomorrow with the joint chiefs of staff in the tank here at the pentagon. that...
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our pentagon correspondent barbara starr is standing by with more on that story. what are they saying? >> well, you know, fredricka, we've been hearing for weeks about this fancy word around washington called sequester. what are we really talking about? layoffs at the pentagon, cutbacks in military spending, but it is the layoffs that are going to start if this budget cut problem is not solved, if congress cannot avert mandatory spending cuts. what the pentagon did is notify congress, are some 800,000 civilian workers are facing one day of furlough for the next 22 weeks. it is going to start hitting an awful lot of people right in the pocketbook. i want you to have a quick listen to one of the pentagon officials that explained some of the impact today. >> the effects of sequestration and the continuing resolution on our military personnel will be devastating. but on our civilians, it will be catastrophic. these critical members of our workforce, they work in our depots. they maintain and repair our tanks, our aircraft, our ships, they teach our kids. they care for
our pentagon correspondent barbara starr is standing by with more on that story. what are they saying? >> well, you know, fredricka, we've been hearing for weeks about this fancy word around washington called sequester. what are we really talking about? layoffs at the pentagon, cutbacks in military spending, but it is the layoffs that are going to start if this budget cut problem is not solved, if congress cannot avert mandatory spending cuts. what the pentagon did is notify congress, are...
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. >> they were all coming into town and it was going to be very fancy, the white house event, the pentagon event. and i figured the least i could do as somebody who -- they had been so nice to me in writing this book, they spent hours with me telling their stories, the least i could do is throw them a reunion. so we had a little get together with some pizza and beer and wings and there was some revelry as one might expect with somebody said to me, open bar with a bunch of troops, you're a brave man. i'm certainly not a brave man. but in any case, it was a lot of fun and fun for the troops to see each other after two years away, after they got back from the deployment. >> well done. and excellent book, the outpost, an untold story of american valor. let me show it to our viewers. i think people want to get more information, this is the place to get it in this very thick, long book, well done. >> thank you. you know, there are a lot of brave troops and their stories aren't told enough by any of us in the media. and so this was a small attempt to rectify that. >> thank you very much. and our
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want to bring in our pentagon correspondent barbara starr, joins us live here. the policy now made public. is there any reaction to the fact that now people, very clearly stated in the memo, know what it's all about? >> reporter: you know, i think this has emerged over the last couple of years, but you're right, suzanne, it is this memo that puts it out in black and white. if you're an american citizen, you can, in fact, be killed by your government overseas with no trial, no due process, if there is a -- some decision by the u.s. administration that you're engaged in terrorist activities. in fact the attorney general, eric holder, talked about this earlier today. i want you to listen to what he had to say. >> we say that we only take these kinds of actions when there's an imminent threat, when capture is not feasible and when we are confident that we are doing so in a way that's consistent with federal and international law. >> reporter: consistent with federal and international law. this memo, suzanne, lays out a case that many might say does not comport with
want to bring in our pentagon correspondent barbara starr, joins us live here. the policy now made public. is there any reaction to the fact that now people, very clearly stated in the memo, know what it's all about? >> reporter: you know, i think this has emerged over the last couple of years, but you're right, suzanne, it is this memo that puts it out in black and white. if you're an american citizen, you can, in fact, be killed by your government overseas with no trial, no due process,...
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chris lawrence, cnn, the pentagon. >> chris, thank you. "cnn newsroom" starts at the top of the hour. deborah feyerick is here. what do you have? >> first we'll talk about this cosmic collision that's happening. you had the asteroid that just came within the earth's gps satellites. then the meteor that fell to earth as you're seeing there in russia, hurting more than 1,000 people. and last night there was a flash over the skies in san francisco. so we're going to be taking a look at all that, talking to a nasa expert, and also getting a live report out of russia as well. plus, our legal guys, they uls have plenty to say, as you know. >> yes. >> we'll be talking about the twisted sex tale of jodi arias and what she's testifying to on the stand as she fights for her life. she's accused of killing her boyfriend. also we'll talk about a pregnant teenager who's gotten a restraining order against her own parents. we'll give you the reason behind that. and in case you feel you haven't been putting in that exercise you need to put in, we'll talk w
chris lawrence, cnn, the pentagon. >> chris, thank you. "cnn newsroom" starts at the top of the hour. deborah feyerick is here. what do you have? >> first we'll talk about this cosmic collision that's happening. you had the asteroid that just came within the earth's gps satellites. then the meteor that fell to earth as you're seeing there in russia, hurting more than 1,000 people. and last night there was a flash over the skies in san francisco. so we're going to be taking...
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now he's changed his tune and said not so much, actually the budget in the pentagon is still going to go up. do republicans risk not being seen as credible? >> i think everybody risks not being seen as credible. this more than many of the crises that we've seen congress and the white house deal with. on that particular issue of republicans in defense, i find it fascinating. i spoke with senator cornyn as some of my colleagues up here about that. and what he was saying is that he was trying to try out his message on us about the fact that republicans should in fact not be saying that the sky's going to fall with regard to defense, it has historically been the most important thing when it comes to budget for the republicans because even if these forced cults go into effect, overall defense spending will go up. there's a split among republicans. if you ask john mccain that, he'll say do not touch defense spending, you to do away with forced cuts. there definitely is what this is exposing is a real tug-of-war within the gop over one of the main goals which is getting rid of the deficit an
now he's changed his tune and said not so much, actually the budget in the pentagon is still going to go up. do republicans risk not being seen as credible? >> i think everybody risks not being seen as credible. this more than many of the crises that we've seen congress and the white house deal with. on that particular issue of republicans in defense, i find it fascinating. i spoke with senator cornyn as some of my colleagues up here about that. and what he was saying is that he was...
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starting this hour, a senate panel hears testimony on the pentagon's response to the attack on the u.s. consulate. senators were asked questions about an internal review following the attack. defense secretaries leon panetta is among those expected to testify. >>> a boeing 787 dreamliner will take to the skies today without passengers. one plane with special approval from the faa will head to boeing's plant in washington state after getting a paint job in texas. only the crew will be on board. the dreamliner's design was revolutionary when it debuted. but its electrical system and battery problems have caused so many headaches. here's rene marsh. >> reporter: all 50 dreamliners in the world have been grounded for three weeks and scrutinized after a string of incidents. the national transportation safety board's investigation zeroes in on the plane's lithium ion batteries. one caught fire in a plane on the tarmac in boston. another burned while flying over japan forcing an emergency landing. investigators found the batteries overheated. the battery in boston showed signs of a short. >>
starting this hour, a senate panel hears testimony on the pentagon's response to the attack on the u.s. consulate. senators were asked questions about an internal review following the attack. defense secretaries leon panetta is among those expected to testify. >>> a boeing 787 dreamliner will take to the skies today without passengers. one plane with special approval from the faa will head to boeing's plant in washington state after getting a paint job in texas. only the crew will be...
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this is just outside the pentagon. he spoke about his challenges his replacement must face. >> you're going to have to continue to deal with rogue states like iran and north korea. we just saw what north korea has done in the last few weeks. a missile test and now a nuclear test. they represent a serious threat to the united states of america. we have got to be prepared to deal with that. >> deal with that, he says. panetta has been leading the pentagon for the last 18 months. but he's been in public service for the last five decades. >>> live this hour, big moment for chuck hagel, the man president obama would like to become the next secretary of defense. the senate armed forces committee holding a vote on hagel's nomination. and while it is likely he will be confirmed, several republicans, they're still putting up a fight. that happens this hour. >>> also, cereal and soda? pepsi introducing a new mountain dew drink for, dare i say, breakfast, calling it kick start. the company says it doesn't consider this an energy
this is just outside the pentagon. he spoke about his challenges his replacement must face. >> you're going to have to continue to deal with rogue states like iran and north korea. we just saw what north korea has done in the last few weeks. a missile test and now a nuclear test. they represent a serious threat to the united states of america. we have got to be prepared to deal with that. >> deal with that, he says. panetta has been leading the pentagon for the last 18 months. but...
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tom vandenbrook is "usa today's" pentagon reporter. he wrote the article. welcome. >> good morning, carol. >> thanks so much for enlightening us on this issue. this program sends americans to iraq and afghanistan to win hearts and minds. tell us about sexual harassment, racism. outline these problems for us. >> these come in an army investigative report that we were -- we obtained through a freedom of information act request. the harassment seemed pretty gross. it was a contractor at the training base making really untoward comments toward the women. eventually, he was fired. that was documented. as well as racism. there was a white soldier who was referring to a section of the program and saying it was a ghetto because it had black people in it. that soldier was disciplined. >> yet some of the members of this group, with all the problems, were making more money than the secretary of defense? >> that's the most disturbing problem. it regards time sheet padding, and it was encouraged, apparently, according to the documents we found. these people were saying
tom vandenbrook is "usa today's" pentagon reporter. he wrote the article. welcome. >> good morning, carol. >> thanks so much for enlightening us on this issue. this program sends americans to iraq and afghanistan to win hearts and minds. tell us about sexual harassment, racism. outline these problems for us. >> these come in an army investigative report that we were -- we obtained through a freedom of information act request. the harassment seemed pretty gross. it...
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the pentagon is grounding all-35 fig fighter planes. f-35 fighter planes all being grounded. inspectors found a crack in an engine fan blade during an inspection inc california. we'll keep following the story and bring you details as we learn them. >>> and u.s. officials warn iran is one step closer to a enthusiast nuclear weapon. a new centrifuge that can accelerate the enrichment process. for more on this, this is a week out from tehran's nuclear talks in kazakhstan. is this an act of defiancdefian? >> reporter: certainly it kind of calls into question, fred, whether the iranians are really serious about taking steps to prove that its nuclear program is peaceful. even as they're getting ready to talk, the new centrifuges can produce you're an yes, ma'am three or four times faster than its old ones. one step closer to having a nuclear bomb more quickly, that's really a concern that they can more quickly produce this nuclear material. they're also working on some of those other components of the nuclear weapon such as the delivery system. so it's a very alarming development.
the pentagon is grounding all-35 fig fighter planes. f-35 fighter planes all being grounded. inspectors found a crack in an engine fan blade during an inspection inc california. we'll keep following the story and bring you details as we learn them. >>> and u.s. officials warn iran is one step closer to a enthusiast nuclear weapon. a new centrifuge that can accelerate the enrichment process. for more on this, this is a week out from tehran's nuclear talks in kazakhstan. is this an act...
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well, you get $85 billion in budget cuts in discretionary, domestic spending as well as in the pentagon and there are a lots of people on both sides of the aisle for different reasons who believe, you know what, that's not such a terrible thing. so the default setting, despite what we heard about the tsa lines and all the rest, may be pretty palletable to some. and it shows you how far the dysfunction in washington has come since they came up with this plan a couple of years ago. >> now, on the dysfunction angle, look, the last time we talked about something sort of similar was fiscal cliff in december, the last congress. now we have new members of congress. my question now is how is the republican party different? >> well, this is the most interesting part of this. i think the white house made a calculation when this whole idea was hatched that the republican party would never go for draconian cuts on military spending. and what occurred in the republican party is that you have a group of younger members who believe in budget cutting above all else, and are willing to take the hits in
well, you get $85 billion in budget cuts in discretionary, domestic spending as well as in the pentagon and there are a lots of people on both sides of the aisle for different reasons who believe, you know what, that's not such a terrible thing. so the default setting, despite what we heard about the tsa lines and all the rest, may be pretty palletable to some. and it shows you how far the dysfunction in washington has come since they came up with this plan a couple of years ago. >> now,...
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but the pentagon has to deal with congress, with republican lawmakers and won't this affect their relationship? >> of course not. this is always transaction. as it happens for the last 70 or 100 years. whatever of the things, hagel was a senator, he understands how the place works how he's got three people that can help him because the president doesn't like dealing with the senate very much. who can blame him now he's got joe biden, john kerry and chuck hagel all skilled with dealing with the senate and that will be helpful for him moving through. >> you know, carol, this is one of the reasons why it's so problematic for republicans. and rich is right that there have been some holds and some there be something like this in the past. but we're in a very different place right now. and the reasons that they are stating as to why they are against chuck hagel do not pass muster. >> right. >> the american people are sick of petty politics in washington. this is a president, he has said he's willing to meet the republicans halfway. we have yet to see the halfway that they're willing to meet this pre
but the pentagon has to deal with congress, with republican lawmakers and won't this affect their relationship? >> of course not. this is always transaction. as it happens for the last 70 or 100 years. whatever of the things, hagel was a senator, he understands how the place works how he's got three people that can help him because the president doesn't like dealing with the senate very much. who can blame him now he's got joe biden, john kerry and chuck hagel all skilled with dealing...